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Post by Rogerius Merrill on Sun Aug 02, 2015 12:47 am

Alex's idea has come to light, and I consider it an idea worth exploring. From what I can tell, others agree. That being said, there's not much in it, and I think the idea would benefit from a bit of structured discussion.

Alex likes the idea of a bunch of CSM's that work together in a method influenced by Deathwatch.

I, for one, am in favor of this. I would like to see this as a separate group, not a Legion or Warband, just a group that have their own agendas and methods within the greater realm of Chaos, but a group of elite specialists nonetheless.
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Post by TwistofCain on Sun Aug 02, 2015 1:33 am

Like the Black legion, it makes sense that the PB would be made up of members formerly of many different legions. But I think they should retain somewhat more independence; perhaps all marines in the Brotherhood have their shoulder's painted with whatever its symbol is, but still wear their armor in the colors of their original legion/warband/whatever. It symbolizes that they are a warrior's confederation, not ruled over like serfs.
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Re: Primordial Brotherhood

Post by Uriel on Mon Aug 03, 2015 12:08 am

Rogerius Merrill wrote:CSM's that work together in a method influenced by Deathwatch.

Rogerius Merrill wrote:I would like to see this as a separate group, not a Legion or Warband, just a group that have their own agendas and methods within the greater realm of Chaos, but a group of elite specialists nonetheless.

TwistofCain wrote:Like the Black legion, it makes sense that the PB would be made up of members formerly of many different legions. But I think they should retain somewhat more independence; perhaps all marines in the Brotherhood have their shoulder's painted with whatever its symbol is, but still wear their armor in the colors of their original legion/warband/whatever. It symbolizes that they are a warrior's confederation, not ruled over like serfs.

I support this too.

I don't know if others like the idea, but having the very few remaining Sacred Band members, and the marines who could be classed as "the Old Guard"
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The veterans from the Unification Wars & early Crusade, and those who were tied to the SB members through rank, friendship or politics
be instrumental in this. The Black Legion was a continuation of Horus's dream if you will, trying to continue his fight as a united group like it was under him; the PB would have the same theme for Hektor, but with Hektors influence still present.
It also has imagery of Hektors "empire" crumbling not unlike Rome and the Empire of Alexander did: under the weight of its own corruption, infighting of successors and would leaders, and a tide of barbarians usurping it from within and without...
It'd be a movement as well as a faction, and could play nicely with Hektor and the Heralds not starting the Heresy as chaos corrupted men, but fighting for a cause they believed in.

Hell, depending on how chaosy you want it, it could range from the last vestige of what Hektor stood for, to an ISIS-style zealot force who want to unite the remaining traitors under one banner to continue the fight against the "real" foe of the Imperium
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Bonus points if they spring up midway through the Legion Wars, and rapidly rise to a position of local dominance
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Post by Lumey on Mon Aug 03, 2015 3:24 am

I think that Alex is working them up as the Unstained Host and they'll be a clean break with the Sacred Band. We might develop an even more interim Traitor leadership based on the Sacred Band guys, but they have credibility problems after the death of Hektor.
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Re: Primordial Brotherhood

Post by Alexandri of Rosskar on Wed Aug 05, 2015 8:04 am

I am in fact working on the Unstained Host. I should have it done by time for the thread on Saturday. Additionally, I'm having a writer friend of mine critique some of our pages so we should have fresh fodder for comment when that comes around.

In fact, I have a question for you Lumey: Leonidas Manisicus, what are you doing with him? Because I want to use him to have him be one of the constituent members of the Host who partake in the raid out into Cadia that solidifies the Host's powerbase. At the same time, I'd like of the Academy of Lukos while not aligned, be closely allied.

Also, on colors, I tried giving a sharper white to the Burgundy scheme which people seemed to like. How does it look? http://i.imgur.com/bZLohbz.jpg

Bonus Black Augur: http://i.imgur.com/Nkx4tJr.jpg
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Re: Primordial Brotherhood

Post by Alexandri of Rosskar on Wed Aug 05, 2015 8:56 am

http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Unstained_Host

Decided to stay fuck it. Have a partially completed page. Tell me if it all checks out.

Thinking of having Leonidas take charge for the Second Black Crusade. Also all of the factions and characters alluded to will be written out in full as I have a plan for each and everyone one of them.
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Post by Alexandri of Rosskar on Wed Aug 05, 2015 9:11 am

Aaaand last minute edit to name change Black Crusades to Chaos Incursions before bed for me.
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Re: Primordial Brotherhood

Post by Lumey on Wed Aug 05, 2015 10:21 am

I'd quite like Leonidas to either die on Terra, faithful unto Hektor, or to be prominent in the Sacred Band-based leadership.

The Academy basically just exists to train Elenkor. Cassandor isn't keen to get caught up in the Legion Wars and had a reputation for selflessness. Perhaps this gives him the chops to host sensitive discussions, with Lukos being the Eye of Terror's designated "neutral ground"
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Re: Primordial Brotherhood

Post by Alexandri of Rosskar on Wed Aug 05, 2015 10:48 am

Got another Herald I can slot in or shall I make one up on my own? I already came up with Krosmosr who's achievements up until the Legionary Wars are 'he existed'. It's even a joke in universe that make make at his expense, 'Krosmosr the Absent'.
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Re: Primordial Brotherhood

Post by Lumey on Thu Aug 06, 2015 10:40 pm

There might be a longer list of Herald names, but I don't have anyone in mind.

My only concern with the Host to date is that they seem to be the First Legion with some extra gubbins, as unified by an outsider. I'm not sure that's ideal. Is there any reason why the Unstained need to hoover up most of Hektor's boys, rather than being a hodge-podge of warbands?
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Re: Primordial Brotherhood

Post by TwistofCain on Fri Aug 07, 2015 4:26 am

I'm liking them a lot so far. Zhardan's death was particularly interesting to me, very satisfactory. I'm looking forward to seeing what you do with the next Incursion. Sort of disappointed the cream and gold coloring didn't work out though, I felt that was the best color scheme.
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Re: Primordial Brotherhood

Post by Alexandri of Rosskar on Fri Aug 07, 2015 10:35 am

Lumey wrote:My only concern with the Host to date is that they seem to be the First Legion with some extra gubbins, as unified by an outsider.  I'm not sure that's ideal.  Is there any reason why the Unstained need to hoover up most of Hektor's boys, rather than being a hodge-podge of warbands?


Actually, only two of their warbands are composed of former Heralds. The vast majority is actually successor warbands from other Legions.

Also, new update!

http://1d4chan.org/wiki/Unstained_Host
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